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@WassimBerbar said in #11:
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Wassim, please read the verse.
There is nothing about the Trinity in that verse. The verse is about women and whether they should preach in church.
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Wassim, please read the verse.
There is nothing about the Trinity in that verse. The verse is about women and whether they should preach in church.
@ToTheEndOfTheWorld said in #2:
> I haven't seen all the theological arguments, but the most popular one is that the verse was added in later by scribes and not originally from Paul
For those wondering why theologians were busy trying to dismiss this verse, Paul actually says in many places that women and men are equal before God.
The keyword being "before God" - "before men" is it different?
That's up to you guys to think about. :)
> I haven't seen all the theological arguments, but the most popular one is that the verse was added in later by scribes and not originally from Paul
For those wondering why theologians were busy trying to dismiss this verse, Paul actually says in many places that women and men are equal before God.
The keyword being "before God" - "before men" is it different?
That's up to you guys to think about. :)
@ToTheEndOfTheWorld said in #12:
> Wassim, please read the verse.
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> There is nothing about the Trinity in that verse. The verse is about women and whether they should preach in church.
"For God is not the author of confusion" is an idea that should be general, and not just to the church saints or the church, am I right? We both agree God doesn't confuse people in general, no?
The verse says: "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
"as" is a phrase used in English to clarify or provide an example of a previously mentioned concept or idea. It is often used to restate or explain something that has been said or written (I copy pasted the google search lol). "As" introduces an example of an established idea, in this case that God isn't the author of confusion but of peace. "As" in the verse can be replaced with like "like".
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, __as__ in all churches of the saint.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, like all churches of the saints.
Simple.
> Wassim, please read the verse.
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> There is nothing about the Trinity in that verse. The verse is about women and whether they should preach in church.
"For God is not the author of confusion" is an idea that should be general, and not just to the church saints or the church, am I right? We both agree God doesn't confuse people in general, no?
The verse says: "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
"as" is a phrase used in English to clarify or provide an example of a previously mentioned concept or idea. It is often used to restate or explain something that has been said or written (I copy pasted the google search lol). "As" introduces an example of an established idea, in this case that God isn't the author of confusion but of peace. "As" in the verse can be replaced with like "like".
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, __as__ in all churches of the saint.
For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, like all churches of the saints.
Simple.
@clousems said in #4:
> Some versions of the Bible say that Jesus was basically that kid from "It's a Good Life"
Sounds about right. He was after all the guy (or Guy) who said: "If any of you come to Me without hating your own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and yes, even your own life, you can't be My disciple."
> Some versions of the Bible say that Jesus was basically that kid from "It's a Good Life"
Sounds about right. He was after all the guy (or Guy) who said: "If any of you come to Me without hating your own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and yes, even your own life, you can't be My disciple."
@WassimBerbar said in #14:
Dude. If you want to argue about the trinity you can start your own forum thread.
Read the verses carefully in their context. It says that God is not a God of confusion, therefore women must not speak because it is disgraceful (this really depends on the version you're using, others say "brings shame")
There is not a single bit of information about the Trinity in these verses.
You're welcome to argue about religion. Just don't be so desperate to argue things that you drag us into random arguments when the original discussion was over a (supposedly) sexist verse.
As for God being a God of peace, I fail to see what is wrong with this. :)
Dude. If you want to argue about the trinity you can start your own forum thread.
Read the verses carefully in their context. It says that God is not a God of confusion, therefore women must not speak because it is disgraceful (this really depends on the version you're using, others say "brings shame")
There is not a single bit of information about the Trinity in these verses.
You're welcome to argue about religion. Just don't be so desperate to argue things that you drag us into random arguments when the original discussion was over a (supposedly) sexist verse.
As for God being a God of peace, I fail to see what is wrong with this. :)
@MrPushwood said in #15:
> Sounds about right. He was after all the guy (or Guy) who said: "If any of you come to Me without hating your own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and yes, even your own life, you can't be My disciple."
Quoted out of context.
Luke 14:28-30 talks about not counting the cost.
In other words, the verse means that you have to count the cost of following Jesus - if your family does not agree with you, you still follow. If you get disowned, you still follow. If worse happens, you still follow.
> Sounds about right. He was after all the guy (or Guy) who said: "If any of you come to Me without hating your own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, sisters, and yes, even your own life, you can't be My disciple."
Quoted out of context.
Luke 14:28-30 talks about not counting the cost.
In other words, the verse means that you have to count the cost of following Jesus - if your family does not agree with you, you still follow. If you get disowned, you still follow. If worse happens, you still follow.
@ToTheEndOfTheWorld said in #16:
> Dude. If you want to argue about the trinity you can start your own forum thread.
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> Read the verses carefully in their context. It says that God is not a God of confusion, therefore women must not speak because it is disgraceful (this really depends on the version you're using, others say "brings shame")
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> There is not a single bit of information about the Trinity in these verses.
Yes. See my explanation on the bottom. I agree the verse doesn't speak specifically about the trinity, but I claim the verse speaks in general.
> You're welcome to argue about religion. Just don't be so desperate to argue things that you drag us into random arguments when the original discussion was over a (supposedly) sexist verse.
I don't care about the sexist part, I wanted to point at something I noticed first lol. But if you want to look at that, tell me.
At first, when #1 posted "What d'ya think?" and then the verses, I thought it's about the first part.
> As for God being a God of peace, I fail to see what is wrong with this. :)
Me neither.
Let's forget the trinity, and think in general. Forget the trinity, I won't use it until I explain my opinion.
My opinion is: 1 Corinthians 14:33 tells that God isn't the author of confusion but of peace, in general, generally, overall.
I'm claiming because it speaks in general (who argues God is the author of confusion in general?), people will start to bring up confusing things that Christianity teaches (one example is the trinity).
I brought up the trinity because I thought the verse speaks in general that God isn't the author of confusion. If something speaks in general, it can mean for multiple individual cases.
> Dude. If you want to argue about the trinity you can start your own forum thread.
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> Read the verses carefully in their context. It says that God is not a God of confusion, therefore women must not speak because it is disgraceful (this really depends on the version you're using, others say "brings shame")
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> There is not a single bit of information about the Trinity in these verses.
Yes. See my explanation on the bottom. I agree the verse doesn't speak specifically about the trinity, but I claim the verse speaks in general.
> You're welcome to argue about religion. Just don't be so desperate to argue things that you drag us into random arguments when the original discussion was over a (supposedly) sexist verse.
I don't care about the sexist part, I wanted to point at something I noticed first lol. But if you want to look at that, tell me.
At first, when #1 posted "What d'ya think?" and then the verses, I thought it's about the first part.
> As for God being a God of peace, I fail to see what is wrong with this. :)
Me neither.
Let's forget the trinity, and think in general. Forget the trinity, I won't use it until I explain my opinion.
My opinion is: 1 Corinthians 14:33 tells that God isn't the author of confusion but of peace, in general, generally, overall.
I'm claiming because it speaks in general (who argues God is the author of confusion in general?), people will start to bring up confusing things that Christianity teaches (one example is the trinity).
I brought up the trinity because I thought the verse speaks in general that God isn't the author of confusion. If something speaks in general, it can mean for multiple individual cases.
@WassimBerbar, God isn't a God of confusion, but that doesn't mean that God can't be confusing. If God were to be inherently more complicated than He made our minds to be able to comprehend, then the problem would be with our minds and not with God's nature. Do you really think that God made us to be able to understand everything? perhaps originally but sin broke all of that. Anyways, Just because God is sometimes confusing, doesn't mean that He contradicts Himself.
@ToTheEndOfTheWorld I'm gonna have to borrow your :) at the end of sentences, I really love that!
@ToTheEndOfTheWorld I'm gonna have to borrow your :) at the end of sentences, I really love that!
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