To be honest so far I have not met a single cheater in correspondence chess, I think cheaters focus more on classical games, where they have more time to wait for their engine and earn RP quicker.
a very nice point.... I have seen some profile like mine where the correspondence score is highest tho..
~~~~~~~~~~~ I probably move as fast in corr. as classical but I started playing correspondence later and the tournament helped me upgrade my focus. Also, I believe that playing the same game over the course of several days leaves a latent imprint on the brain that makes for better moves....
~~~~~~~~~~~ I probably move as fast in corr. as classical but I started playing correspondence later and the tournament helped me upgrade my focus. Also, I believe that playing the same game over the course of several days leaves a latent imprint on the brain that makes for better moves....
This goes both ways - I was close to 2000 on another correspondence site and had never played realtime. The first time I played, my mind froze, unable to move, unable to think at all. Worried I ditched corresp and focused on realtime. On FICS, I dropped to 900 and realized that something is seriously wrong with playing too much correspondence.
Ever since, trying to unfreeze my mind by playing fast. It's been over a year of almost exclusive realtime play and I still dont feel like I'm even close to calculating just like I used to in correspondence.
There is something to learn/improve in both formats.
Ever since, trying to unfreeze my mind by playing fast. It's been over a year of almost exclusive realtime play and I still dont feel like I'm even close to calculating just like I used to in correspondence.
There is something to learn/improve in both formats.
Totally correct.... I have begun to balance out the two by playing blitz & classical... If I ever have a day where I am sharp, I will try to get my bullet up to 1200 & then quit!!!
I think kasparov cheats, he is horrible at blitz atomic, hes only good at correspondence atomic
I believe it is wrong to make accusations like that "rookie_gto" -- Thibault & the mods have just upgraded the "cheat detectors" and there is a reporting system........
~~~~~~~~~My 1st post in this thread is just one explanation of why correspondence scores probably SHOULD be 200-?500 points higher. (Not to mention the fact that @ 1 out of ?8 of my corr. wins are from people who simply time out.....)
~~~~~~~~~My 1st post in this thread is just one explanation of why correspondence scores probably SHOULD be 200-?500 points higher. (Not to mention the fact that @ 1 out of ?8 of my corr. wins are from people who simply time out.....)
"corresponde chess: the ultimate cheaters variant"--rookie_gto
QFT (But Isaiah is not a cheater)
QFT (But Isaiah is not a cheater)
I used to be a little concerned about encountering engine use in correspondence matches (not so much here as over at iccf.com) right up until the point where I started to draw against a recent incarnation of Stockfish (maximum settings on my laptop, approx. 3200 ELO). I havent beaten it yet, but it's definitely made me a stronger player.
Sure, it means the little goal I set myself might take a little longer than it would have otherwise, but so what? If the end result is going into a tournament and not caring if my opponents augment themselves or not because I could still win then that's an even better outcome than trying to get those players disqualified.
Anyway, my current human opponents (and clearly human) are arguably tougher (to me) than any engine. Especially the LGM and the guy with a variation of the King's Gambit *named* after him (he's spent literally 5 decades exploring and developing the King's Gambit, I spent 5 minutes looking at the stats on his favoured openings and opted for an English - he's still kicking my arse, though).
Sure, it means the little goal I set myself might take a little longer than it would have otherwise, but so what? If the end result is going into a tournament and not caring if my opponents augment themselves or not because I could still win then that's an even better outcome than trying to get those players disqualified.
Anyway, my current human opponents (and clearly human) are arguably tougher (to me) than any engine. Especially the LGM and the guy with a variation of the King's Gambit *named* after him (he's spent literally 5 decades exploring and developing the King's Gambit, I spent 5 minutes looking at the stats on his favoured openings and opted for an English - he's still kicking my arse, though).
#13 +1 ! very good point !
when I play some corresondence games , many opponents play it like a blitz , almost every game I won, I did it out from blunders, I thinks the point of this varient is to think and mak quality moves , even in the opening,you analyze many variation, if you opponent just keep blitzing ,it's not that rewarding if you win,, here I copy from some web page of a summery of the benefits of correspondence chess :
1: Ideal for playing multiple games at the same time!
To make sure you do not have to wait long between moves, you have several games on the go at the same time typically. This guarantees that there always challenging positions to find the best move in when they login every day! (or every moment of the day!)
2: Play from anywhere!
You can play at work (lunchtimes recommended!) at a coffee shop, when hanging with friends..
3: Find perfect opponents worldwide!
Your opponents are not restricted to be in roughly the same time-zone as you (as they are in blitz chess)- You could play people on the other side of the planet very very easily for example. You can use this form of chess to help relationships with your friends and family.
4: Time to play quality moves- (and less blunders!)
You have time to think and try out your moves, playing and testing variations on a board is positively encouraged.
Your moves are of a much higher quality than fast chess games, because you have time to think. This means that when you win, you can generally be much prouder of that win that a blitz game. The opponent generally had time to find good defence, but you still beat him! It also means you will be learning from your games. You may pick up lots of opening theory or gain a much greater understanding of positions resulting from the opening. This may in turn also enhance your over the board play and blitz chess :-)
5: Time to stroll around looking at other peoples games!
You could be in a team game for example. In blitz chess there is not too much time to look around at the other boards. You are purely focused on your own board. you can see easily how other people are getting along, by strolling around the tournament games, or team games. The games are not going to be over in a flash- there is time to appreciate what is going on in the other games which maybe related to your game in some way!
6: Time to socialise with the opponent between moves!
During the game you can have meaningful conversations with the opponent and be friends with the opponent at the end of the game! Lasting rock-solid friendships can be formed with every new game.
7: Sharpen your opening knowledge!
Often correspondence chess games which are much higher quality than OTB games contribute to Opening theory. New lines are created, and then these ripple down to the faster more blundersome forms of chess! Not only new moves though which may be innovative, but entirely new ideas may be created! You have plenty of time to research your openings, and it is positively encouraged in this form of chess.
8: Community spirit!
People are around for weeks, months and years!... People on the lichess.org wont be here today gone tommorow, simply because their games will take a while to play. You can get to know them more, through the various activities and goodies at lichess.org such as forums, puzzles, training, etc.
9: Can fit into a busy schedule!
As long as you stay within acceptable time limits you can think about your move at any time of day or night wherever you may be.
10: Complements other forms of chess!
Alekhine (World Champion from 1927-1935 and 1937-1946) began his career playing correspondence chess and believed that postal and OTB complemented one another. He was also influential in the founding of the International Correspondence Chess Federation.
[Event "Correspondence 1905-1906"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Giese"]
[Black "Alekhine"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 d5 4.Bxd5 Qh4+ 5.Kf1 g5 6.Nc3 Ne7 7.d4 Bg7 8.Nf3 Qh5 9.h4 h6 10.e5 Nbc6 11.Kg1 g4 12.Ne1 Bf5 13.Bxc6+ Nxc6 14.Ne2 Be4 15.Bxf4 Qf5 16.Qd2 0-0-0 17.Ng3 Qh7 18.Qe2 Nxd4 19.Qc4 Bc6 20.c3 Ne6 21.Qf1 h5 22.Bg5 Bxe5 23.Bxd8 Bxg3 24.Bf6 Qe4 25.Nd3 Nf4 26.Rh3 Qe3+ 27.Nf2 Nxh3+ 28.gxh3 Bh2+ 29.Kxh2 Qf4+ 0-1
11: Can be much more relaxing than blitz or over the board chess
Unlike blitz chess servers, where you often feel drained after even an hour, here you can casually stroll in, and play considered moves, and leave notes for the opponent, etc. It is far more relaxed, and does not leave you drained playing here. On top of this, your moves will generally be of a much higher quality than in throw-away blitz chess. You can play at your own pace- there are a variety of relatively casual time limits to choose from - ranging up to 14 days per move even! There is no frantic time scrambles which are often associated with blitz chess and over the board chess.
12: Correspondence chess *improves* chess understanding and promotes good habits, whilst blitz chess can damage understanding and create bad habits .
In correspondence style chess, sloppy weakening moves are more likely to be punished by opponents. The patterns and understanding you pick up are more likely to be successfully applied to Over-the-board serious games. Whilst blitz chess on the other hand can encourage sloppy play and bad habits. Things that might work in blitz are often much less likely to work in normal time controls.
13: Opponents and players are generally more relaxed and maturer on a correspondence site than blitz sites
In correspondence style chess, because patience is a virtue, you are far more likely to come across polite intelligent and well mannered players and opponents, than on blitz sites, which are more adrenalin-driven.
14: Games are more worth annotating and adding to collections
15: Correspondence chess spreads the word of chess more easily than any other form of the game!
Because you can play many games simultaneously, you can easily invite friends to join in the fun - and be able to play them along with your other games. You are not just locked into one-to-one games.
1: Ideal for playing multiple games at the same time!
To make sure you do not have to wait long between moves, you have several games on the go at the same time typically. This guarantees that there always challenging positions to find the best move in when they login every day! (or every moment of the day!)
2: Play from anywhere!
You can play at work (lunchtimes recommended!) at a coffee shop, when hanging with friends..
3: Find perfect opponents worldwide!
Your opponents are not restricted to be in roughly the same time-zone as you (as they are in blitz chess)- You could play people on the other side of the planet very very easily for example. You can use this form of chess to help relationships with your friends and family.
4: Time to play quality moves- (and less blunders!)
You have time to think and try out your moves, playing and testing variations on a board is positively encouraged.
Your moves are of a much higher quality than fast chess games, because you have time to think. This means that when you win, you can generally be much prouder of that win that a blitz game. The opponent generally had time to find good defence, but you still beat him! It also means you will be learning from your games. You may pick up lots of opening theory or gain a much greater understanding of positions resulting from the opening. This may in turn also enhance your over the board play and blitz chess :-)
5: Time to stroll around looking at other peoples games!
You could be in a team game for example. In blitz chess there is not too much time to look around at the other boards. You are purely focused on your own board. you can see easily how other people are getting along, by strolling around the tournament games, or team games. The games are not going to be over in a flash- there is time to appreciate what is going on in the other games which maybe related to your game in some way!
6: Time to socialise with the opponent between moves!
During the game you can have meaningful conversations with the opponent and be friends with the opponent at the end of the game! Lasting rock-solid friendships can be formed with every new game.
7: Sharpen your opening knowledge!
Often correspondence chess games which are much higher quality than OTB games contribute to Opening theory. New lines are created, and then these ripple down to the faster more blundersome forms of chess! Not only new moves though which may be innovative, but entirely new ideas may be created! You have plenty of time to research your openings, and it is positively encouraged in this form of chess.
8: Community spirit!
People are around for weeks, months and years!... People on the lichess.org wont be here today gone tommorow, simply because their games will take a while to play. You can get to know them more, through the various activities and goodies at lichess.org such as forums, puzzles, training, etc.
9: Can fit into a busy schedule!
As long as you stay within acceptable time limits you can think about your move at any time of day or night wherever you may be.
10: Complements other forms of chess!
Alekhine (World Champion from 1927-1935 and 1937-1946) began his career playing correspondence chess and believed that postal and OTB complemented one another. He was also influential in the founding of the International Correspondence Chess Federation.
[Event "Correspondence 1905-1906"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Giese"]
[Black "Alekhine"]
[Result "0-1"]
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Bc4 d5 4.Bxd5 Qh4+ 5.Kf1 g5 6.Nc3 Ne7 7.d4 Bg7 8.Nf3 Qh5 9.h4 h6 10.e5 Nbc6 11.Kg1 g4 12.Ne1 Bf5 13.Bxc6+ Nxc6 14.Ne2 Be4 15.Bxf4 Qf5 16.Qd2 0-0-0 17.Ng3 Qh7 18.Qe2 Nxd4 19.Qc4 Bc6 20.c3 Ne6 21.Qf1 h5 22.Bg5 Bxe5 23.Bxd8 Bxg3 24.Bf6 Qe4 25.Nd3 Nf4 26.Rh3 Qe3+ 27.Nf2 Nxh3+ 28.gxh3 Bh2+ 29.Kxh2 Qf4+ 0-1
11: Can be much more relaxing than blitz or over the board chess
Unlike blitz chess servers, where you often feel drained after even an hour, here you can casually stroll in, and play considered moves, and leave notes for the opponent, etc. It is far more relaxed, and does not leave you drained playing here. On top of this, your moves will generally be of a much higher quality than in throw-away blitz chess. You can play at your own pace- there are a variety of relatively casual time limits to choose from - ranging up to 14 days per move even! There is no frantic time scrambles which are often associated with blitz chess and over the board chess.
12: Correspondence chess *improves* chess understanding and promotes good habits, whilst blitz chess can damage understanding and create bad habits .
In correspondence style chess, sloppy weakening moves are more likely to be punished by opponents. The patterns and understanding you pick up are more likely to be successfully applied to Over-the-board serious games. Whilst blitz chess on the other hand can encourage sloppy play and bad habits. Things that might work in blitz are often much less likely to work in normal time controls.
13: Opponents and players are generally more relaxed and maturer on a correspondence site than blitz sites
In correspondence style chess, because patience is a virtue, you are far more likely to come across polite intelligent and well mannered players and opponents, than on blitz sites, which are more adrenalin-driven.
14: Games are more worth annotating and adding to collections
15: Correspondence chess spreads the word of chess more easily than any other form of the game!
Because you can play many games simultaneously, you can easily invite friends to join in the fun - and be able to play them along with your other games. You are not just locked into one-to-one games.
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